Hi Gang, My 'other' son does cad work for a local firm that builds cranes for off-shore oil rigs. Anyway, since he's better with the graphic stuff, I asked him to take a shot at an 'evil evolt' logo. (Something that would look good on a code rider's skull cap.) I'm still bugging him to take a shot at trailing some colored flames coming up off the cubes, but I guess he was more in the mood to 'go subtle' and take a bit of a shot at the typography: http://www.fangsnclaws.com/Test/evil_evolt_1.GIF I think it's kind of cute, but he now knows that I'm wanting something more 'over the top' ... he said he would try to bring me another draft by jam night (Thursday) - so we'll see how that goes. RonL.