On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 09:37 AM, DESCHAMPS Stéphane DSI/SICOR wrote: > I'm wondering if there's still *one* place that has web dev jobs > a-plenty, since the dotcom bubble burst. Depends on what you mean both by "a-plenty" and "web dev" I don't think we'll ever get back to the same number of people doing front-end production, for a number of reasons: 1) Increasingly few commercial sites are being hand-produced - the only front end work is in producing templates. There's more work involved in integrating those templates into the end systems. 2) Even in 1999, there were far more people able to do front end web work than were commercially justifiable, not to mention all the people who were learning HTML etc when the bubble burst. 3) Even for developing logic and data layers of a site, there are increasing numbers of packaged systems available that do the vast majority of the required work as a great number of organisations have similar enough processes and systems. I mean, do you *really* need to bespoke-code an access-control list? Or a templating system? The work involved is mostly configuration of the 80%+ of functionality provided by packaged systems, with a small amount of bespoke work on top. > FWIW note that France is as much a devastated country as anywhere in > the world. They all ask for Java in job offers, and I'm sure they > don't even know what they're asking for. Well I can't speak for the people you've been talking to, but I've just been struggling to find contractors with Java/JSP/XML skills to do integration between an eMarketing system and the client's legacy system. And those were genuinely the skills needed to use the eMarketing system's SDK. I'm very much finding that the demand for numbers of people is in 1) People able to do integration - both between systems and integrating front end work into systems - but with enough of an understanding of the front end code and design not to screw it up 2) People who understand enough of a client's *business* needs to be able to design the solution, choose which packaged components are needed (and spec where bespoke work is necessary), define how its to be configured and document it in such a way that both developers and clients understand it. Cheers Martin -- Now playing on iTunes: "Had She Been Aye" by Ivan Drever from 'Every Breaking Heart'