I just tried that, and I still get the extra 40-odd pixels at the left side of the menu, and now the buttons are only as wide as the contained text. See http://www.gasolinepricefixinglawsuit.com/i.htm Unless I misunderstood your instruction.... (original page is still up at http://www.gasolinepricefixinglawsuit.com/index.htm) -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org on behalf of Paul Bennett Sent: Thu 7/3/08 14:51 To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org' Subject: Re: [thelist] css horizontal menu spacing problems Hi John, Take the explicit width (152px) off your ul.nav li rule and it's fine. With Firefox, firebug is your bestest friend :) http://getfirebug.com/ Paul -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Gersten, John Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 9:45 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] css horizontal menu spacing problems I have an extremely simple, small site with css-generated horizontal menus that I cannot get to display properly in IE6 and Firefox 2. (I can't load IE7 or Firefox 3 here at work to test either, but I assume the problem is consistent in those versions as well). The page is http://www.gasolinepricefixinglawsuit.com/index.htm In IE6, the top and bottom navigation menus align to the left side of the #main div. In Firefox, there is an extra left-side margin of about 40 pixels that I cannot remove (in part because I cannot figure out where it is coming from) which forces the menu to wrap vertically. What I am *trying* to set up is a css-based horizontal menu that will actually center itself above the rest of the #main div, and that's not working in IE6 either. I know my css is screwed-up but I cannot figure out where the problem(s) lie. I have been trying to fix this all day and am driving myself into the ground with frustration. Any help/guidance anyone can provide will be greatly appreciated. John -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !